This latest prototype looks super interesting! Much better than the previous iterations.
This is quite a clever design I think. I would be interested in feeling what it feels like to ride it. I know Mark Fawcett says he really likes the Burton step-ons because of the immediate toe-side response from being "clicked in" to the heel-side of the board/binding rather than being "tied" down with straps. Consider the lever arm on the highback this should give you even more leverage than step-ons
Thinking of the discussion we are having here: https://carving.clunk.tech/community/postid/4255/
On heelside with a traditional binding you use the highback as a lever to deliver force at the heelside of the binding. For toe side you are using where the ankle strap attaches to the binding on/near the heelcup to deliver force to the toeside of the binding. With these you would use the highback to deliver the force both through the heelcup on both toe and heel-turns.
I wonder if an additional benefit would be that it allows you to tighten the binding straps less too? And it should make the fore/aft stiffness of the boot less important as you're using the stiffness in that direction from the binding instead. It may make the lateral stiffness of the boot more important though as I assume that the highback still pivots like a hand on a clock around the heelcup (ish).
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@superfelix thank you for the reply. I read the other chat you referenced....yes, a topic quite closely tied to the edgeLever binding.
I have never been on StepOns, nor am I a physicist, but I know for sure that the higher off the board you push the lever (in edgeLever's case the upper cuff or third strap), the more leverage/power you create. that is what allows this set-up to make an effortless carve for an experienced rider.Consider the lever arm on the highback this should give you even more leverage than step-ons
I don't think so. Like all bindings, holding that foot flat to the board without heel-slip, is critical. IE; Cinching down the ankle strap....important. I will say, however, this season, I want try riding in more varied terrain (trees, crud, bumps) while loosening the THIRD strap. I am assuming the binding will perform like a normal two strap binding. i will keep you posted on that.I wonder if an additional benefit would be that it allows you to tighten the binding straps less too?
And it should make the fore/aft stiffness of the boot less important as you're using the stiffness in that direction from the binding instead. It may make the lateral stiffness of the boot more important though as I assume that the highback still pivots like a hand on a clock around the heelcup (ish).
Not sure I understood your last two sentences here. Happy to answer if you wouldn't mind rewording. fore/aft meaning in relation to the board? boots/foot?
@jason100 Interesting! I'm just thinking out loud here... 😀
Like all bindings, holding that foot flat to the board without heel-slip, is critical. IE; Cinching down the ankle strap....important.
Yes, of course you need to be firmly strapped in to the point of not slipping. I just think it's not unusual for people to really crank down on the straps to increase responsiveness on toeside, I've been guilty of doing this. I've found that there's quite a large "sweet spot" between being firmly attached to the bindings and how much I can tighten the straps if I really want to, at least 3-4 clicks. So it was more like a thought that you can tighten the bindings minimally with this setup with a third strap so you're just firmly attached without slipping, but no more than that, and still feel super locked in.
I will say, however, this season, I want try riding in more varied terrain (trees, crud, bumps) while loosening the THIRD strap. I am assuming the binding will perform like a normal two strap binding. i will keep you posted on that.
Yeah, I saw someone on youtube asking about ankle flexion. Loosening the top strap will allow for a bit more of that I suppose. Looking forward to hearing how it rides. When I ski I sometimes loosen the cuffs of my boots in bumpier terrain for a more loosey-goosey feel. Wguke snowboarding I don't feel like I need that because of how much softer flexing softboots are.
Not sure I understood your last two sentences here. Happy to answer if you wouldn't mind rewording. fore/aft meaning in relation to the board? boots/foot?
Relative to the boot, or your foot/body once the boot is on your foot.
So fore/aft being towards the toes/heel, lateral being towards the tip/tail of the board. Since the forward/backward stiffness in the interface (bindings+boots) now gets a serious boost from the highback thanks to the third strap. So I guess the question is:
How much lateral (nose/tail) stiffness does the binding provide? It seems like it would have a larger than usual difference between lateral (nose/tail) and longitudinal (toe edge/heel edge) stiffness.
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Yes, I think this is true with this binding.So it was more like a thought that you can tighten the bindings minimally with this setup with a third strap so you're just firmly attached without slipping, but no more than that, and still feel super locked in.
I will answer this based upon the assumption that you are riding at shallow binding angles....maybe 0 to +/-15 degrees on both feet (just a guess based on your text above). With that the case, then I would answer as follows. Imagine your traditional binding mounted at 0 degrees. If you shift your weight toward tip of board, there is just only so far you can go due to the limitations created by the boots themselves and the ankle straps. Further, you will auto compensate by using strength from your rear leg to keep you somewhat centered over the board. So in answering your question, the edgeLever binding provides the same amount support toward the tip/tail of the board that a traditional binding provides.....very little. Your body, I guess just "handles" this itself while riding either binding. Let me know if I answered your question this time. thank you.How much lateral (nose/tail) stiffness does the binding provide? It seems like it would have a larger than usual difference between lateral (nose/tail) and longitudinal (toe edge/heel edge) stiffness.
@jason100 Cool! Super interesting! Looking forward to hear more about your experiments.
I ride reasonably steep binding angles 33-27 on the front foot and 21-15 on the back foot. I'm not particularly experienced and I'm experimenting a lot trying to find what works and feels comfortable for me, and I'm a very curious person, hence all the questions.
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