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For really big boots - mine are size US12 - binding risers and high angles are mandatory to avoid boot out at high edge angle carving. @wild-cherry Trenched Canted Risers are the best option out there - they are definitely worth buying and will enhance your riding technique. 



   
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For really big boots - mine are size US12 - binding risers and high angles are mandatory to avoid boot out at high edge angle carving. @wild-cherry Trenched Canted Risers are the best option out there - they are definitely worth buying and will enhance your riding technique. 

Absolutely, mine just arrived in the mail today! Got the straps too, and G4 hopefully here by the time there's enough snow to go boarding.

One added advantage with higher angle on the front foot is comfort on the chairlift. Huge stress on the knee otherwise, especially if sharing the chair with others and need to keep board 'straight'.

 



   
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Posted by: @carveaddict75

One added advantage with higher angle on the front foot is comfort on the chairlift. Huge stress on the knee otherwise, especially if sharing the chair with others and need to keep board 'straight'.

Very true!  Especially with wide boards...


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boots are more narrow than the board, the board is exerting more force over the rider than the rider over the board

I think that’s overstating things, but it’s true in general. I think Lars reasoning is sound overall, but his demo with blocks of wood is very flawed. Also, when he’s talking to people he’s doing it from his perspective, which is one of being fine with some amount of booting out and to some extent modifying his riding to not boot out to get a more agile board. Compared this to James who is completely not fine with occasionally booting out because he has a very specific vision with how he wants to ride. So they’re coming at the way they ride and select boards from very different points of view and you have to take this into account when listening to their advice

But yes, a wider board will be more difficult to tip on edge. But something I don’t hear being mentioned in these discussions is that a softer interface (boots and bindings) will also make a board more difficult to tip on edge because some of the force you try to put into the board just goes into flexing your interface rather than tipping your board on edge. 

Felix made some great points here.  The block example was just looking at downward forces, without any binding action. A snowskate works like that, but the lower board is much narrower and you do get leverage over it.  A fatter snowsurf obviously works as well, but the snow is compressible off-piste (and I think the fulcrum virtually moves).

When carving a snowboard, you’re not simply pushing an edge down like a see-saw.  The fulcrum is at the edge and you’re lifting the other side up, more like a wheelbarrow.  This is how pedal/foot steering works.  But if you’re further from the edge, you do need to apply more force (which is the point that Lars was trying to make).

Your binding works like a lever, put pressure to one side and the other side will rise. Note that Bindings designed for tweakability aren’t going to have the same mechanical advantage. But the boots are indeed part of this compound lever system as well. 

A medium binding will take something like an 8 to 10 boot size. If you keep the boot & binding type consistent, I’m not sure if the 10 would have any real advantage over an 8 (in terms of leverage) for a decent waist width.  I think the boot/binding interface probably have a greater influence than the overhang/underhang for a given board width.

I started riding my C4 with Insano and Flux CV LTD.  Unfortunately the Insano just isn't comfortable over my instep.  But with mondo 260, I don’t really need a reduced footprint boot on that board.  So I swapped to my comfy vans verse (a chunkier boot that’s actually closer to the edge), but no longer had the response that I wanted.  When I swapped for the Rome Cleaver with a higher ankle strap, I regained similar function, but way more comfort.

 


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@pigbrogg I only just realized that you linked more than that page! Those first 32 pages of the prologue were great, thanks for that translation.

Parts 3 & 4 look like they’d be interesting.


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@board-doctor I need to find time to finish the translation, ideally over Thanksgiving. While translating all 200 pages is currently too much, I will prioritize the carving-related content first



   
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@pigbrogg is AI or Google translate good enough for a rough draft? Just so you don’t have to do it all by hand…


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@superfelix I use both Gemini and GPT for the rough draft, the most time-consuming part of the process are the label on the graph and formatting.



   
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@pigbrogg Awesome work! It's a real treat to read the translations


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